Craps 6 And 8 Odds
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The 6 and 8 can be made in 5 difference ways using a set of dice and present the player with 1:7 odds. Finally comes the 7, which can be rolled 6 different ways using a pair of dice and it has odds of 1:6 making it the most common number to come up in online craps. The craps payout chart below shows various payout statistics such as what kind of craps bets, true odds, payout odds and the total house edge after everything has been calculated through. Note that these payout odds in the chart listed below are not the same in every casino or on all craps tables. If a 5,6,8 is rolled you are paid $14 but lose the $5 field. If 2 or 12 is rolled you are paid $10 for the field while if 3,4,9,10,11 are rolled; you are paid $5. If the field hits replace your $5. 6/36 = 1/6 You can use probability to figure out the odds of winning and losing in the popular casino dice game of craps. In the game of craps, on your first roll (called the come out roll), three outcomes are possible.
Craps is a much easier game to learn than most people think. The basic premise is simple: you are betting on the outcome of the roll of two dice. The only thing that makes the game confusing is all the different types of bets you can place.
Most of these bets are straightforward, but it’s just the fact that there are so many of them that make the game a little complicated. You don’t need to know how each one works to enjoy playing the game, so it’s not like you have to learn them all before you start playing.
The bets we would say you absolutely must understand are the pass line and don’t pass wagers, the come and don’t come wagers, and the odds bets. We explain these in detail below, and also provide information on all the types of bets. Here is a list of the bets we discuss below:
- Pass Line & Don’t Pass Wagers
- Come & Don’t Come Bets
- Odds Bets
- Place Win
- Place Lose
- Buy
- Lay
- Big 6 and Big 8
- Hardways
- Field
- Proposition Bets
The pass line and don’t pass wagers are the most commonly placed bets in craps and also the most straightforward. A shooter will usually have to place one of them before making their come-out roll; and in some casinos, players must make one of them if they also want to place other wagers. These bets have to be placed before the come-out roll, and they both pay out at even money (1:1) when they win.
A pass line bet wins if the value of the come-out roll is 7 or 11 and loses if it’s 2, 3, or 12. If it’s any other value, then a point is established at that value, and the pass line wager remains on the table until the point is rolled again or 7 is rolled. If the point is rolled, the wager wins; if 7 is rolled, the wager loses.
A don’t pass wager wins if the value of the come-out roll is 2 or 3 and loses if it is 7 or 11. If the value is 12, then the bet is pushed, neither winning nor losing. Just like the pass line bet, it remains on the table if a point is established. The don’t pass wager loses if the point is rolled again and wins if a 7 is rolled.
Come & Don’t Come Bets
These wagers are very similar to the pass line and don’t pass bets, the main difference being that they are placed after the point is established rather than before. They can be a little confusing, so please make sure you fully understand the concept before placing them.
If the first roll after you have placed a come bet is a 7 or 11, then you win your wager. If a 2, 3, or 12 is rolled, then you lose. If any other number is rolled, this is the point for your come wager. So if a 5 is rolled, for example, then 5 becomes your point. Your wager stays in place and will win if a 5 is rolled again, and lose if a 7 is rolled. A come bet may be thought of as a personalized pass line bet, where the point number is established on the first roll after it has been placed.
By the same token, a don’t come bet is like a personalized don’t pass bet. It will lose if a 7 or 11 comes up on the first roll after you place it, and win if a 2 or 3 is rolled. Any other number establishes the point for your don’t come wager, which will then stay in place until it either wins or loses. It will win if a 7 is rolled, and lose if the point is rolled.
Both of these bets are paid out at even money (1:1) when they win.
Odds bets are a bit like side bets that can be made after a point is established. They are essentially extensions of each of the four bets mentioned above. There are four different types:
- Pass Line Odds
- Don’t Pass Odds
- Come Odds
- Don’t Come Odds
You would place a pass line odds bet to complement your pass line bet following a point being established. It pays if the point is then rolled before a seven, and loses if a seven is rolled. The big advantage of this type of bet is that it’s paid out at true odds when it wins i.e. there’s no house edge. The payouts vary, depending on what the point is.
When you place a pass line odds bet, you are said to be “taking the odds.” Because there’s no house edge, the amount you can stake is limited. Typically, you can stake up to three times the amount on your original pass line wager, but some casinos allow more.
A don’t pass odds bet is placed to complement a don’t pass bet. It pays if a seven is rolled before the point, and loses if the point is rolled first. Bets of this type are also paid out at true odds with no house edge and, again, the payouts vary depending on what the point is.
| Point | Payout |
| 4 or 10 | 1:2 |
| 5 or 9 | 2:3 |
| 6 or 8 | 5:6 |
You are said to be “laying the odds” if you place a don’t pass odds bet. The amount you can stake is limited in the same way as a pass line odds bet. Come odds and don’t come odds bets are based on exactly the same principle. They just use the point that is established following a come or don’t come bet.
Place win bets can be made after a come-out roll when a point has been established. They can be on any of the numbers 4, 5, 6, 8, 9 or 10, and they win if the number chosen is rolled before a 7. The payouts vary depending on which number you have chosen.
| Number Choosen | Payout |
| 6 or 8 | 7:6 |
| 5 or 9 | 7:5 |
| 4 or10 | 9:5 |
These are basically the opposite of place win bets. They can be on the same choice of numbers (4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10), but with a place lose, you win if a 7 is rolled before the number you have chosen. The payouts again vary depending on which number is chosen.
| Number Choosen | Payout |
| 6 or 8 | 4:5 |
| 5 or 9 | 5:8 |
| 4 or10 | 5:11 |
A buy bet is largely the same as a place win in that you are betting on a specific number to be rolled before a 7. The difference is that the payouts are higher, with the trade-off that you have to pay a 5% commission. At some casinos, this commission is payable when you place your stake, and at others it’s only payable if you win. The payouts once again vary based on which number has been chosen.
| Number Choosen | Payout |
| 6 or 8 | 6:5 |
| 5 or 9 | 3:2 |
| 4 or10 | 2:1 |
A lay bet is the opposite of a buy bet, and also comes with a 5% commission. With this wager, you are betting on a 7 being rolled before a specific number, in the same way as a place lose. It offers higher payouts than a place lose, which vary depending on the number chosen.
| Number Chosen | Payout |
| 6 or 8 | 5:6 |
| 5 or 9 | 2:3 |
| 4 or 10 | 1:2 |
These bets are very straightforward, and both pay even money (1:1) if successful. A big 6 wins if any 6 is thrown before a 7, and a big 8 wins if any 8 is thrown before a 7.
Hardways
When a number is rolled as a double, it’s said to have been rolled the hard way. A hard 8, for example, is a double 4. That is how wagers of this type get their names. They are pretty simple and are based on certain doubles being rolled before a 7.
You can bet on any of a hard 4, a hard 6, a hard 8, or a hard 10. If the relevant hard number is rolled before a 7, you win the bet. As with some other wagers, the payouts are determined by the number bet on.
Field
A field bet is always settled on the next roll. It will win if a 2, 3, 4, 9, 10, 11, or 12 is rolled and lose if 5, 6, 7, or 8 is rolled. It pays 1:1 unless a 2 or 12 is rolled, in which case it pays double (2:1).
There are several different proposition bets available in craps, all of which are settled on the next roll. We explain each of these below.
It’s worth mentioning that proposition bets come with higher payouts than previously mentioned options. The house edge is also higher, however, and players are generally advised to avoid them for this reason. However, there’s nothing wrong with using them if you’re willing to accept more risk in exchange for potentially bigger rewards.
- Any 7 (Payout 4:1). Wins if 7 is rolled next.
- Any 11 (Payout 15:1). Wins if 11 is rolled next.
- Any Craps (Payout 7:1). Wins if any of 2, 3 or 12 is rolled next.
- Ace Deuce (Payout 15:1). Wins if 3 is rolled next.
- Aces (Payout 30:1). Wins if 2 is rolled next.
- Boxcar (Payout 30:1). Wins if 12 is rolled next.
Edit: I'm a little confused. Why don't you just use place bets to lose?
I'd have to agree. You are making 2 bets with 4% HA and I don't even see for what reason. The probabilites say that it more than likely that a 6 OR 8 would be rolled before a 7, and therefore you lose. That's just me though. I HATE betting more than I will win.
1) The HA depends heavily on the rules at the particular casino. If they collect
the vig only after a win, that lowers the HA, but not as much as on buy bets,
since lay bets have >50% chance to win. Also, you are really betting $24 to win
$20, right? If they collect only on a win, they will pay you $19 for a win, take
the $24 if you lose. At this level, the HA is then 2.27%. However, you need to
find out the maximum bet for which they still charge only $1 vig, which may be as high as $36.
2) You are seriously under-capitalized at $200 with $50 on the table. Your risk of ruin is very, very high, about 44% in a sim I ran on WinCraps, 10,000 sessions of up to 60 bets. About 25% of the sessions turned $100 profit or more, up to $774.
Craps 6 And 8 Odds Explained
I tried an alternate strategy, laying no 6 for $36, assuming a $1 vig collectedonly on a win. This yields an HA that is the same as placing the six (1.515%). So, you have a lower HA and less money at risk on each comeout. The bust rate was still high, about 33%, but almost 30% of the time it won at least $100, up to $895, in 60 bets.
The trend towards collecting buy/lay vigs only on a win really tips the scale in favor of buy bets, because they win less than 50% of the time, only 33% for buy 4/10.
Cheers,
Alan Shank
1) The HA depends heavily on the rules at the particular casino. If they collect
the vig only after a win, that lowers the HA, but not as much as on buy bets,
since lay bets have >50% chance to win. Also, you are really betting $24 to win
$20, right? If they collect only on a win, they will pay you $19 for a win, take
the $24 if you lose. At this level, the HA is then 2.27%. However, you need to
find out the maximum bet for which they still charge only $1 vig, which may be as high as $36.
2) You are seriously under-capitalized at $200 with $50 on the table. Your risk of ruin is very, very high, about 44% in a sim I ran on WinCraps, 10,000 sessions of up to 60 bets. About 25% of the sessions turned $100 profit or more, up to $774.
I tried an alternate strategy, laying no 6 for $36, assuming a $1 vig collected
only on a win. This yields an HA that is the same as placing the six (1.515%). So, you have a lower HA and less money at risk on each comeout. The bust rate was still high, about 33%, but almost 30% of the time it won at least $100, up to $895, in 60 bets.
The trend towards collecting buy/lay vigs only on a win really tips the scale in favor of buy bets, because they win less than 50% of the time, only 33% for buy 4/10.
Cheers,
Alan Shank
I'd agree. I guess that's why he said if the table was hot he'd be dead. I wouldn't even think it would need to be hot. Just luke warm and he could be done real quick. Could be an incredibly short session.
If you do try this out, please post and let us know how it went.
Edit: I'm a little confused. Why don't you just use place bets to lose?
I don't believe place bets to lose are accepted at many places. The Wiz says only a single casino in Australia and some internet casinos have it.
This seems a very unwise strategy. If your bankroll is so limited, I would avoid the dark side. If you do want the dark side but have a limited bankroll then a simple DP with one or two DC bets seems more sensible. Laying odds may eat up a good chunk of your bankroll.
I don't think the problem is with the 'side', but rather the size of the bankroll relative to the size of the bets. With a $200 stake and $48 on the table, it doesn't take a whole lot of negative variance to wipe you out. The skew is opposite to the right-side skew, but you expect more winning bets than losing ones. Obviously, that didn't happen. Any strategy can get hammered by the wrong dice rolls - that's gambling!
The original poster might consider making one lay-no-4 bet for $40 or $50 (if $1 vig); that way, you'd expect to win 2 of 3 bets, so you'd have to be even more unlucky to wipe out, but it also means they'd collect the vig more often. Squeeze the balloon on one side, and it bulges out on the other!!!
As FleaStiff says, with only $200, you might be better of betting DP, where you can bet the table minimum and pay only 1.4% vig. I recommend laying single odds rather than making Don't Come bets, because they do not increase the expected loss, whereas DC bets do. At a $10 table, you can bet $10 DP and lay $12, $15 and $20 odds; you never have more than $30 on the table and your average bet is just about $21. That would reduce your chance of busting within a couple of hours to about 20%.
Cheers,
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Alan Shank